STOP PLANNED PARENTHOOD

At the end of this short clip, there is a link to a petition for stopping Planned Parenthood from using our tax dollars to fund abortion, and their liberal agenda. I decided to add the link here: http://stopplannedparenthoodtaxfunding.com
I had to add this video from YouTube about Planned Parenthoods deceptive tactics in Illinois. This enrages me, especially since my tax dollars are funding this barbaric, gluttonous, and evil organization. When will Americans wake up to the fact that PP is a killing machine, and is motivated by the almighty dollar?!!

Hannity PP deception on Fox News


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Truths In History
Hey thanks for this. I'm going to sign now.
Hans Gruen
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Signed the petion.
JudgeBob
Yup, I've been complaining about this travesty for ten years. If I can't make it illegal to kill children, I certainly don't want tax dollars funding it. I'm glad this is finally gathering steam again. I've signed.
Jim Phelan
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PP is big business aimed at exploiting poor minority women. It needs to be exposed and stopped! Thanks for this!!!!!
Papi Chulo
Yeah. Stop Planned Parenthood, and everyone like them, so that the only thing kids will have in this country is abstinence-only education. Because that works so well.

I'm proud to have patronized the very division of PP that produced this ad, as well as donated money to them through their protester pledge campaigns, and by donating my $300 tax rebate a few years ago in G.W. Bush's name. I, for one, WANT my federal tax dollars going to support this organization. Better for that than to support all the unwanted and unloved children that would exist if people like you had their way.

The votes in this country don't just belong to fundamentalists, you know.
bluesingincat
Well, goody for you. But I don't want to contribute MY tax dollars to enable this organization to fund the killing of the unborn, or propagate their immoral attitudes upon my children or grandchildren. And I am not alone. In case you haven't noticed, there are still unwanted children, abused and unloved children, and unplanned pregnancy resulting in illegitimate children despite PP. The numbers haven't gone down, they have multiplied. Everything PP does and stands for, is a failure. PP has NOT reduced the unplanned pregnancy rates, it has NOT decreased the number of abused children, it has NOT slowed down the growth of STDs, and in fact, we have 28 more STD viruses today than we did in 1960. One in five Americans has genital herpes, a 500% increase since 1976. The only claim to fame the PP can embrace is the fact that they have helped to murder approximately 43 million unborn citizens since 1973. My advice to you: Don't invest in any stock market, you can't see a loser when it slaps you in the face.
bluesingincat
I need to add, the ad in which you patronized the division that created it, stinks. It is dangerously silly, condescending, and promotes irresponsible sexual behavior. But thats the point of the ad, isn't it?
Scio, Scio
There are plenty of people willing to adopt all those "unwanted" children, and plenty of charities to help mothers carry these children to term. You may have made the value judgment that their lives aren't worth the slightest chance at happiness, but I prefer to believe otherwise.
Encouraging people to have sex only drums up more business for them. More sex, more contraceptives. Contraceptives have a failure rate. More failures, more abortions. Either way, Planned Parenthood isn't committed to addressing the real problems.
Papi Chulo
Too bad for you that we don't have a system in this country wherein you can direct what you'd like your tax dollars to go to. Too bad for me and millions like me too because I certainly wouldn't be paying for things like Iraq, abstinence-only education, tax exemptions for churches, etc... We all pay taxes for things we don't want to support. If you don't like it, do what the rest of us do and vote for people who support your beliefs and ideals.

As for the commercial, ignoring the silly and condescending aspects that pretty much all commercials have, in what way does it promote irresponsible sexual behavior? I only watched it once, but it looked like a flight attendant was handing out massive amounts of condoms to consenting adults. I'm not sure what's irresponsible about that.
Papi Chulo
Really? You think that if every woman who went to PP for either an abortion or birth control just decided to have their babies instead, that there would be enough people willing to adopt all of them? You... really think that? What about the massive infrastructure problems our society would have trying to support the unfathomable increase in population? Who's paying for that? Also, all these willing adoptive parents... are they all wealthy enough that they won't need help from the government? Would you prefer your tax dollars (which would certainly multiply exponentially) to go to supporting them and covering their tax breaks?

Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of organizations willing to help mothers carry their babies to term. How much support do they get from those organizations after the baby is born? Do those organizations continue to support the mothers until the child's 18th birthday? I doubt it. Are the organizations able to somehow make the mother actually want and love the child that they otherwise do not want or love? How much better off is the child growing up and knowing every single day that their mother doesn't want or love them?

By the way, Planned Parenthood is a non-profit. They have no need to drum up more business. If anything, I'd say they'd probably be happier to have less business.
bluesingincat
Wouldn't you say glamorizing indiscriminate sex in public places, would qualify as being sexually irresponsible? And since when has anyone's tax dollars been spent to fund abstinence-only education?? I think there is a vast difference between my tax dollars being spent to fund our nations security, and to help liberate a people from a dictator who committed genocide against his own citizens, than it is to fund an organization that murders the unborn, allows rape to go unreported, legitimizes promiscuity, and has been a key player in the ridiculous ideology that creates an attitude among our young women today of total defeatism, and powerlessness in the face of an unplanned pregnacy.
bluesingincat
If abortion was not available on demand, women and men would not use it as a safety net. Abortion is used as birth control most of the time. I submit to you that the problem you suppose, of droves of pregnant women having babies that would not be adopted due to sheer numbers of unavailable adoptive parents, is a fallacy, and in fact, the numbers of unplanned or unwanted pregnancies would drastically drop without the safety net of abortion. The irresponsibility of becoming pregnant when you are not prepared to be a parent is compounded by having an abortion. What has a person learned about compassion to man and to mankind, if the responsibility of their own procreation is reduced to blind selfishness? What is it that makes us human? We either are, or we are not. The unborn are human. No amount of propaganda speak, or justification by hardship can change that fact. Abortion is murder. And millions of women are suffering from their decision to have an abortion. Most are silent. Abortion is bad for women in more ways than one. You mock the idea of abstinence being taught to our young people, but you cannot deny the fact that the only way to prevent pregnancy, STDs, and abortion on demand, is by encouraging abstinence. If PP were really interested in preventing pregnancy and STDs, they would do so. If schools wanted to be really honest with their students, they would make it clear that the only way to be 100% STD free, and never have an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy, would be to practice abstinence. You want to measure the value of human life in terms of dollars and cents. It's not about the money when it comes to human life. It's about protecting and defending those who have no voice, or those who are not heard. When did we as a society decide that we had the power or the knowledge to decide the value of other human beings based on their stage of life? There will always be the unwanted child, the abused child and the unplanned child. Murdering the unborn child is not going to change that.
Papi Chulo
Let me get this straight. You think that people who have sex, when choosing a method of birth control, consider abortion to be one of those methods? Like the girl and guy talk it over and decide, "Oh, it's cool... we don't need a condom... we'll just get an abortion!!" and that if abortion weren't available those people would simply NOT have sex? That is... wow.... WOW.

Also, Yes, I will deny until I no longer have the breath to do so your assertion that "encouraging abstinence" will prevent STDs and unwanted pregnancy. That is so naive and foolish that it almost doesn't warrant a response. Human nature is not such that people will not do what they're taught not to do. I believe you Christians have some story about an apple? It goes double for teenagers. They are going to have sex, regardless. Given that, I would prefer that if they're going to have sex, they are educated about how to protect themselves, instead of thinking that drinking some bleach will keep them safe.
bluesingincat
Of course people don't "choose" abortion as their method of BC before they engage is sex. Nobody wants to have an abortion. But if abortion were not available, don't tell me you think people wouldn't be more careful about using BC consistently, or remaining abstinent until they could be responsible for another human being? Common sense tells us that we would be much, much, more careful. If you were on a plane and were offered the chance to sky dive, and you really thought it would be fun, would you jump if they told you one of the chutes will not deploy, but we don't know which one? Some might jump anyway and take that chance, but most would think really hard before they chose to jump. On the other hand, if the same situation presented itself, but you were told some of the chutes will not open, but we have a huge net to catch you on the ground before you hit anyway, how many then would choose to jump? Nobody thinks THEY will get pregnant, but even if they do, they know in the back of their minds they will never have to give birth. That's screwed up thinking. How bout we just try not to get pregnant to begin with, preferably by the only known 100% foolproof way? Make too much sense for you?



"They are going to have sex, regardless." , is exactly what our teenagers hear, and believe. Do you actually think there is no way any teenager, or even most teenagers can be abstinent? What do you, or anyone else, expect from our teens when all they hear is how hard it is to be abstinent, and how they are "gonna do it anyway". Use that logic for any kind of potentially unhealthy behavior, and see what you come up with. Sexual encounters are unhealthy for those who become pregnant with an unwanted child, or contract STDs. Not to mention the moral and spiritual side of indiscriminate sex.

Papi Chulo
Yes. I really think that there's no way that most teenagers can be abstinent. Sex is human nature. Their bodies are BEGGING for it. Most of them will give in. Not all of them, but most of them.

You wanna see the failure of abstinence logic applied to other unhealthy behaviors? Alright then.

"Don't smoke those cigarettes. They will kill you."
"Don't keep eating all those pizzas. Your obesity will kill you."
"Don't drive drunk. There's a good chance you won't make it home."
"Don't shoot that heroin. You will become addicted and eventually die."

Shall I keep going?
bluesingincat
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And? The failure in your logic is this: If they are taught abstinence as the best possible choice BEFORE they engage in sexual activity, they CAN remain abstinent. Especially if they see the bad consequences others suffer, AND they stop getting the message they "can't help it". Come on, if their bodies are "begging" for it, it certainly will, and does pass. You make it sound like these teens don't have any intelligence to CONTROL their urges. They are just urges you know.

Not everybody smokes.
Not everybody overeats.
Not everybody drives drunk.
Not everybody shoots heroin.

Wonder what their secret is?
Papi Chulo
True, not everyone does those things, but a LOT of people do, despite being taught early that they are bad for you. They do them anyway. Humans are weak, and are driven by pleasure and comfort.

I honestly don't know why I'm having this argument. It's like talking to a caricature of 1955.

Enjoy your righteousness.
bluesingincat
So what if a lot of people do it? So what if you think 1955 was "way out of touch". Truth is truth. Humans can be weak. Many choose to be weak, but few ARE weak. I feel sorry for you if you think being "weak" cannot be overcome or surpassed by being strong. If the world consisted of people like you during the time this country was forged, we would never had established the nation we have now. Because you know, we are just too weak to fight for liberty, we like comfort, and we are just too weak to sacrifice, like, because we don't like pain.

Enjoy your sell-out on humanity.
Scio, Scio

unfathomable increase in population?

1.3 million per year, by my last count. Unfathomable, hardly. An extra 43 million in a country of 300 million.

Would you prefer your tax dollars (which would certainly multiply exponentially) to go to supporting them and covering their tax breaks?

In this regard, I would have to say yes. I don't believe taxes would be necessary, but I'd rather that my tax dollars went to support these children than support Planned Parenthood. My commitment to life trumps my commitment to small government.

Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of organizations willing to help mothers carry their babies to term. How much support do they get from those organizations after the baby is born? Do those organizations continue to support the mothers until the child's 18th birthday? I doubt it. Are the organizations able to somehow make the mother actually want and love the child that they otherwise do not want or love? How much better off is the child growing up and knowing every single day that their mother doesn't want or love them?

I don't know what organizations are out there. But is it right for us to determine that these babies shouldn't be given the chance at a happy life? Is it right for us to deny their humanity?

By the way, Planned Parenthood is a non-profit. They have no need to drum up more business. If anything, I'd say they'd probably be happier to have less business.

Planned Parenthood receives almost a third of its money in government grants and contracts ($305.3 million in FY 2006). It received $345.1 million in clinic income that year, $212.2 million in private contributions and bequests, $33 million in other income and $7.2 million for the Alan Guttmacher Institute for a total of $902.8 million.
What were their expenses? Obviously they dropped some coin on the "mile high" commercial, but how much do they spend in salaries?
My optimism leads me to tentatively agree with you that they'd be happy to turn away business, but the cynical part of me is not so ready to follow along.
bluesingincat
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Well said! I will only part ways with you in my optimism about PP being happy to turn anyone away. Only because they COULD do so, but choose to corral these women towards abortion, instead of adoption.
Scio, Scio

True, not everyone does those things, but a LOT of people do, despite being taught early that they are bad for you. They do them anyway. Humans are weak, and are driven by pleasure and comfort.

We are given free will, and can choose to indulge ourselves in lust or gluttony or whatever. Humans are weak, but pleasure and comfort is not all that drives us. The desire to know God and be near Him exists, and if this is present then we can overcome our urges.

I honestly don't know why I'm having this argument. It's like talking to a caricature of 1955.

There are certain moral truths that existed in 1955 (and 1555, 1055, 55) and also exist today. We are arguing from a position that it is possible to know these truths and apply them to our lives in absolute terms. Am I correct in assuming that you ascribe to a more relativist worldview? That might be why we're arguing.

Enjoy your righteousness.

I would interject with the thought that being righteous sucks. There's nothing enjoyable about it. In my case, I don't have a scotch at the end of the day and congratulate myself on all the sins I didn't commit. I'm more mindful of those that I did commit, and from a position of self-knowledge I can address the sins and errors of others in a spirit of charitable correction. Failing to be charitable is probably the biggest cause of misunderstanding when it comes to addressing this particular issue. Charity is hard to maintain when we're talking about murder and they're hung up on tissue.

Truths In History
I have to jump in this discussion because if abortion had been legal when my mom was pregnant with me, she would have had one. But it was not legal and therefore was the reason she didn't have one.

I feel more loved by my mother than anyone else in this world. She has been a true blessing in my life, and I have never doubted her love for me. So yes, someone who wants an abortion and doesn't have the legal means to have one can still carry that child to term, deliver that child and love that child their whole lives. And my mom didn't give me up for adoption!
bluesingincat
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You are a witness then too, for the children who weren't given a chance to be born. I in no way am condemning any woman who has had an abortion, they need to be forgiven, and most of them struggle with severe guilt. I personally know 2 such women who were actually on their way to an abortion clinic when events prevented them from having an abortion. One of them had a flat tire and was unable to make the appointment on time. (She was the daughter of my mother's best friend from our church, and only 16 at the time) The delay gave her time to think about what she was contemplating, and she decided to have her baby. She is happily married now, and prays every day to thank God she didn't abort her child. Her mother didn't even know she was pregnant, and when she told her mother, all her mother could do was praise her for not going through with it. It was hard, but it all worked out in the end. Every human being is a gift from God.
Truths In History
I never thought about myself as a witness but I guess I am. My mom hates for me to talk about this. Even though she didn't have one, she still feels extreme guilt for even thinking about it.
bluesingincat
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Yes you are. Your mom must be a wonderful lady. She needs to forgive herself. So many people suffer because of abortion. I pray it will become illegal one day.
Lifesong

It is one thing to voluntarily contribute to human sacrifice but for those of us who are people of faith & conviction, we conscientiously object.

Lifesong
And I'd like to say that I thank God that you posted this important information, Bluesingincat!
bluesingincat
Thank you Lifesong. I have been busy, and couldn't reply to your posts as soon as I wanted. I love your S/N. Lifesong. That is beautiful.
Lexann
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I'm a little late viewing and commenting here, considering when you posted this, but I wanted to thank you for posting this important information. I signed the petition, and will encourage my friends to do the same!
bluesingincat
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Thank you so much. It is appreciated

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